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Posted by Baby Ghosn - -




My product (WowMeh - and the relative DEMO) has been removed from Marketplace on the 5th June for "IP Infringment" and then removed inworld also.
Since I haven't received any notification in the relative email address, I enquired repeatedly for clarifications to LL, through all available methods; finally, the 11th june the IP Team inboxed me stating that "if I believe I didn't infringe another's copyright I have to fill a counter-notification", and to "be aware that your personal information will be forwarded to the copyright claimant", but there was no DMCA notification attached. So I asked for more detailed infos to the IP Team but, as they don't have obligations to answer, I don't think they will do.

As for now, I have decided not to counterclaim.

I have very good reasons - but this is only my opinion - to believe that the DMCA compiled against WowMeh has been done so with malicious intents. I have absolutely no idea about what kind of copyright owned by whom I have infringed. Because of this and that, of investigations, readings and studies I have made, I really don't want to reveal any of my personal, sensible data to someone which can be not so good-intentioned; I'm afraid I may be harassed in RL too.

Notwithstanding my opinion, I'm fully aware the DMCA has a legal value, and it is possible (it MUST be, according to law) that the claimant has acted in good faith. So, equally in good faith, I decided to fully revise my product, removing whatever part wasn't wholly created by me (the body still remains a remote relative of the SL avatar); not because those parts were not legit, but because they are not my original creations... So I do not want to risk for parts I've purchased, even if hyper-modified.

Surely, stating that my whole product as-is violates someone else's copyright is not true at all. But if you are in good faith, please, before engaging in a DMCA war, contact me. There are more gentle and collaborative ways to settle these kind of disputes, professionally (i.e. mediation and negotiation).

Acting this way still makes me a potential infringer to SL, but protects me in RL.

Anyway, please bear in mind that the NEW Version will be protected with an End User License Agreement and Copyright, and that I will react to malicious attacks according to the USA laws and to the laws of my home country.

I come in peace... Armed.

82 Responses so far.

  1. I think that's very brave of you to come back harder than before and you've got an army of support behind you. Kudos to not let it defeat you and further more kudos to not expose your RL information to someone intent upon being malicious. <3 I still support you and your product 100% and will continue to blog all things Wowmeh as well as your future concept.

  2. IF you are worried about exchanging RL info then counter file though a lawyer, thus your RL info is not released, instead the lawyers info is

  3. I completely support anything you do. I absolutely love the WowMeh body and i will continue to support you and blog your new body as well whenever you decide to come out with it :)

  4. Sorry to hear that people are so malicious. Apparently afraid of the competition, They may very well target you no matter what. I think you are wise in your decision (even tho I so wanted to wear that body) :) Big hugs and Good Luck. I'll be a buyer when you are the seller. Until then.. No to other mesh bodies.

  5. Thank you for not giving up! I've been totally convinced since the beginning of this thing that the supposed DMCA has been done only to slow you down, because the WowMeh had just become too popular too quickly, and the competitors couldn't cope. And I know I'm not the only one to think that… You have my support, 100%!

  6. I think allot of SL is over rated copy right bs I get yes it's money but it is a game I kinds wish they just close SL for good

  7. I firmly believe that you were falsely DMCA'd and the person who did it was definitely NOT doing so in good faith, regardless of what the law is. I think the person who falsely DMCA'd you is a serial offender who has falsely filed against other mesh content creators out of malice. I think you should have filed the countersuit via an attorney to protect your personal information. LL is obligated by law to send you notification about all of this, and they failed. I hope you take all of the necessary actions and I wish you the best of luck.

  8. matrix says:

    Is there any chance of a male version sometime? What i saw of the original was stunning and the best mesh body i have seen. We men have no real sources in that regard. Not lifelike ones anyway. If i wanted to be a larger version of Arnold in his prime with 6 inch neepples I could find that easily.. I want one that looks realistic.

  9. kitty says:

    good luck wowmeh you have our support in your fight against bad people !!

  10. I will stick with the WOWMEH until you decide to come out with a new one! I dont blame you for keeping you RL info out of the reach of others. Gl in all you do :)

  11. Bea P says:

    Too many false DMCA claims in sl these days. Ridiculous DMCA claims even on simple dresses! This is totally unfair. Anyone can file a false DMCA claim without losing anything. However when someone files a claim against you, all your content gets removed with no explanation or proper investigation - you lose everything! LL process sucks they DO NOT investigate the claim. If you want your content back you have to spend your real money and time filing a counterclaim! These vicious individuals just bet on the fact that you wouldn't hire a lawyer to counter file. It costs too much money and most designers make very little in sl. Even if you spend all your money fighting the claim, all you get in return is your old content back! No action against the false claimant! What about time lost? money lost? defamation? There must be strict laws to protect businesses from these vicious frauds and liars. Sadly this is a lose-lose situation for you. If they come after you one more time, we should create awareness and raise funds for you to fight the case and counter sue the liar hiding behind the avatar. I want to see these frauds behind bars! Have seen enough of these frivolous copyright claims in sl. Enough is enough.

  12. I am so sorry to hear all this is going on! I know a lot of people are curious though, will the people who already have the wowmeh be able to get this new item as an update or will be have to purchase a completely new product?

  13. I am so glad that you are going to keep working, your mesh body was the first I considered buying and I simply love it.

    It pains me how the legal system is - in world and out - how it tends to protect the guilty. How the innocent are left to fend for themselves and sadly come under personal attack, as they are often left to defend their character when they've done nothing wrong.

    I believe you've made the right move here. Seeing as the person who filled this claim can remain "hidden." With the amount of false DMCAs that keep turning up this should be a concern to content creators all over the grid.

    Here's hoping to see something new and wonderful in world soon. Best of luck to you.

  14. We Love you, Baby. I hope you are not too distressed by whichever jealous idiot has done this. I will continue to support WowMeh <3

  15. Your post just confirms what everyone was thinking, that you did in fact break international copyright laws.

    If you'd be really innocent, you would have filled out that countercomplaint long ago. The fact, that you are afraid that the person who filled the DMCA tells us, that you know that you are guilty and filling countercomplaint means, that you would claim that the product is yours, when it's not and that it would end up in a real-world law suit (that's the reason why the other person will get your data. They filled the DCMA, you claim they are wrong. So in order to proof that in a court they need your information).

    You just made yourself guilty.

    But not everything is lost. You could tell whose product you stole, so the supporter of the Mesh Body can go and purchase the product form the original order and his work gets credited.

  16. Actually, her not filing a counter claim is proof of nothing. Her guilt or innocence is dependent on whether or not she willfully stole something and placed it into her product, which she has stated that even though she purchased something, she cannot be 100% certain that it was not a stolen product, hence the reason she is removing everything that is not absolutely her creation from the product. That way, in the future, there is no possible way that anything could possibly have been stolen. It's not proving guilt. It's proving that you can't trust everything you purchase on SL, and sometimes it is just easier to fix a product to remove the possibility, than to fight it and drag out the process even further. So, perhaps you might consider keeping such speculation to yourself before you go pointing any fingers. Just a thought.

  17. @ "Odessa", I'm pretty sure I know who you are. You aren't nearly as covert and anonymous as you think you are :)

    Her refusal to hand over her PERSONAL information is proof of nothing other than her intelligence. However, FALSELY FILING DMCAS against people who you consider to be your competition is against the law, as well as proof of your *own* guilt. It's all fun and games to you until lawyers get involved. One day you'll go after the wrong person and that will be the end for you :)

  18. I'm so so sorry you're having to go through all of this and I can't wait to see what's next for you. I'm a fan and I hope my store can make appliers for your next product. <3

  19. I'm waiting for your new release! Do not keep me waiting. Continue with your great job and not be discouraged by these evils. Big kiss!

  20. @Odessa Silverberg - just shut it.
    Bleib bei deinen MMOs und RCE und halt die Fresse.

  21. I can't wait for the new release, it is like I can't be without my wowmeh on if a skin creator doesn't make a applier for it I don't use it. I wish you the best in this issue and can't wait to see you back! <3

  22. And… surprise! Just as you are struggling with this DMCA thing, SLink just releases its own mesh body! What a coincidence. *grins*

  23. I'm sorry if I was perhaps too concise, but I do not think it is appropriate to publicly discuss how I'm going to deal with a lawsuit, but I owed you all an update about the situation.
    Remember that I do not live in the United States: it took me two weeks only to find a good lawyer available to deal with an USA law and to face a potential transnational legal action.

    I do not think LL is obliged to inform me which product I have offended the copyright (in the specific field 1. "Identify in sufficient detail the copyrighted work That You Believe Has Been infringed upon [ie, describe the work That You own]") as much as the LL is not required to investigate whether the product in question is a legit copyrighted item or an unfair use of my product's name, details, pictures or full perm parts.
    I remember a few days before the fact, many of you (<3) have contacted me about fake listing of WowMeh on Marketplace sold by other users (probably just empty boxes).

    I didn't INTENTIONALLY break a copyright, but since my product is really complex, after this issue I investigated all single small parts and yes there are some parts for which I have some little wonderings:
    1. The Skins have been purchased (looks legit but who knows?), modified, and distributed into Full Perm Prims (the "Body Controller HUD") without any End User License.
    2. The HUD Contains a Full Perm Face emoter i got years ago: i kept for it the original creator and permission. It was intended to be only an - unuseful - example of what the tools tab in my HUD can be: a container of your own modify HUDs.
    3. I've supported (even if not included in my product itself) an "universal" applier because i love largest compatibility: this might lack designers' permissions... :(
    AND MORE....
    4. The body is a far relative of the SL Avatar (which is covered under CC 3.0: still not sure if and how can I sell it).
    5. I designed the feet UV to be more similar possible the another's feet UVMap (not exactly the same) to help skin designers to have an unique texture for feet. I'm not sure if in this way I offend their Copyright, we're still investigating.
    6. The name WowMeh is close to some real brand, even if not the same (WowME, WowMe, WowWee). But i don't think this might be the reason.

    Even if the Counter DMCA states "that I have a good faith belief" is anyways "under penalty of perjury" which shall make me punished with a strong fine if only one of the 6 points above are true!
    So i prefer consider the DMCA legit and revise and protect myself and my products as I didn't at today.
    If i really have broken someone's copyright I would be really happy to know, but i'm 99% sure that this is not my case: i don't think a legit person would act so hidden without even contacting me!

    The decision not to counter-notify as for now and to remake a new stronger product has been more of a choice forced by the timing and the lack of information ... and the hope to get back my sweet dreams and a serene summer.

    Thank you all for your support. <3

  24. Thank you for sharing your info and doubts with us, Baby, it's really nice of you. *smiles* All this doesn't seem to be a huge work to redo by the way. Do you have any idea how much time it might take? With the SLink body out, everybody will just rush on it, and it's unfair that you're forced to stay out of the competition: as far as I could see, the SLink is not really better than yours, and significantly more expensive… Really hoping to see you back very soon!

  25. Funny that you'd get a DMCA claim and not too long after- Slink puts out a mesh body of their own. Huh. Funny how that works. Just say'n.

  26. I honestly and fully believe this all stems from the other wowmeh that was being sold on MP. We were all flagging it and filing copybotting and the next day your's got pulled =(
    I will always support you and love your product and know you will get through this

  27. Anti Goon says:

    I don't support any asshole that steals.

  28. I keep using my wowmeh and I can't wait to see you back stronger and also wear the new one in my blog posts. You can count on all blogger comunity support. Good luck to you, Baby!

  29. Deatoris says:

    Hi Baby,

    I will keep using my Wowmeh until you are back with your new creation. Obviously I can't help thinking that the Slink mash body's release has been done in a very strange timing ... Anyway, chin up and hurry back xxxx

  30. Oh my, oh my. So many fanboi's and pirates here.

    DCMA claims do not get approved for a reason and obviously she did steal other peoples work. Otherwise a judge wouldn't approve it.

    Now come and tell whose avatar you did steal and sell as your owns? Then we can at least appreciate the proper person and buy his or her products instead of your stole goods.

  31. ^ take that hater crap some where els lml that fu fu lame s*** i aint with it bwahahahaha but when do you think your new and improved body will release

  32. It's a pity that LL and Second Life is operated from the USA where the DCMA has legal status. Whilst I think the spirit of that mechanism is good, (i.e. the ability to legally challenge Copyright infringement without huge legal costs) the reality is that it's just too wide open to abuse.

    I'm active on OpenSim grids amd last year there were ructions when one of the main content download sites clarified that DCMA notices would not be entertained by the German hosted site (DCMA isn't legally recognised in Europe) and that it would require a full court order from a German court before any case would be recognised. This is an extreme step, and one that would actually cost quite a lot of money, but it would therefore be pretty unliely to be abused, as it seems the DCMA system allows. It's in effect the ultimate griefer's charter, as even though there is in theory legal redress against those filing false DCMA reports, in reality it would cost a lot to pursue in order to claim such redress, and it's likely that the compensation wouldn't make it worthwhile pursuing.

    It may be cold comfort to creators in Second Life, but sadly as it's operated by a parent company based in the USA then US law applies, and as such the somewhat flawed DCMA system. I'm not saying that the European system is any better, as it's perhaps too much the other way, and in it's own way doesn't protect itellectual property well enough as it requires at least a solicitor's (attorney's) letter to make a legal challenge, but that is probably safer than the DCMA system which appear open to abuse.

    As far as the WowMeh mesh body is concerned - I managed to buy one a few days before the item was removed from the Marketplace, and I have so say that it's probably one of the best things I've ever bought in SL. The price was very competetive too, and that could well have provided something of a jealous motive to hinder it's justified popularity. Since I have been in SL I have tended to avoid content produced by the greedy creators and supported those creators who make nice stuff for reasonable prices. As in RL, those labels that command a high price are going to be the targets of those who will copy and copyright infringe, I am not sympathetic to that, but on the other hand, what do they expect? WomMeh achieved a couple of things that I could see that rivals would not like at all: a really well made and featured product at a reasonable price, plus the fact that it was a mesh body part, which for some reason commands a pretty extortionate price, usually.

  33. @ "Odessa", you dont need a judge to process a DMCA. It's not up to LL to approve a DMCA, their job is to simply PROCESS it, nothing more. They're required by law to do so. So how about you take a hike and learn what the fuck you're talking about before you spout any more idiocy, mkay? If anyone is the THIEF, it's YOU. You went after CK when he busted you for stealing his Cute Azz and now you're going after wowmeh? How pathetic are you?? LOL!! As I said before, One day you'll falsely DMCA the wrong person and that'll be the end for you :) Keep at it! I hope you keep going the way you're going so that it catches up with you :)

  34. So many dumb people here, blind or plain stupid.

    Innocent people don't give up. If all you fanboys claim would be true, the WoWMeh creator would fill a counter complain.

    They don't, for very obvious reasons: Cause they know that they did illegal stuff and there is no chance to win this case in front of a court. And losing a law suit means paying ALL the costs: Your lawyer, court costs and the lawyers of the other party.

    No scammer, stealer or pirate is going to risk that, when they know exactly that there is NO CHANCE to win.

    Why the hell do you think the owner of WoWMeh fears that his or her personal data may be visible to that other person? Of course, cause then they can bring him or her to court.

    I hope that the original copyright owner does take steps to identify the identity of the stealers and bring them to justice and sue them for several 100k USD.

  35. Odessa, after reading all of your comments on here, it is very clear to me that you have no idea how this whole process works, in or outside of the court system. You're a troll; slinging mud, trying to intimidate, and simply enjoying mayhem. That is all that you are. I feel pity for those close to you.

    Baby, I love your work and will support you as best I can. I commend you for your actions and openness. You have a lot of support here, remember that.

  36. Silent says:

    I have to agree when the others state it's the competition someone is afraid of, I went to try to buy this body for an alt today and just discovered it was gone, looking forward to the updated one and one for my alt too, I refuse to purchase from the others, the quality is nowhere near as good and the prices are outrageous.

  37. Silent says:

    As for you Odessa, take a hike, your language skills and ability to understand what is happening are so low your either retarded or a 15 year old boy playing with himself.

    To the original creator of wowmeh who is being unfairly attacked, you will always have my support.

  38. D: when are the new bodies supposed to come out -.- my moneys just sitting there ugh so hard not to spend it lol I'm trying tho.

  39. Baby, to me it looks (without a shade of doubt) that someone is trying to pull you out of the market by whatever means, as they are not able of competing fairly in the market (by product quality or price or both)
    I got your body not too long ago and since then, I haven't removed it... I love it sooooo much I wouldn't wear any other
    I can do nothing else than giving you all my support and hope that you are "back into business" soon

  40. Silent says:

    Couldn't agree more Michelle, I think these claims need to be looked into more, who can make one etc, the system is obviously flawed when someone can just file a claim and destroy someones SL business simply to remove them from the market which is what I truly believe has happened here, it happened to Curio skins too, the poor woman had to wait years only to prove in the end she had violated no copyright laws and her store is now re-opened again.

    Is there any news at all when this new body is coming out? holding onto my money too to buy it for my alts :)

  41. Can anyone find another quality fitmesh body? I cannot - maybe there is one that I missed? I looked across a few grids to find one. Nothing I see like WowMeh. Not mentioning any names, but where are best quality shoes aimed at and whose other mid height feet were only ones to fit? hmmm....

  42. @lipstickandpoison

    You seem to have access to profound informations in regard to CK's case.

    Please, can you reveal the inworld name of "Odessa", so that we won't purchase anything from him by mistake?

  43. I just think it's a shame that so many feel the need to defame others (true or not). The WowMeh product has set a standard in the mesh body market. Hopefully, this will be resolved soon and the revised body will be released. In the meantime, slinging mud is not going to resolve ANY of the situations and just makes all those involved look bad. Get over all the hateful remarks and trolling and simply try to make the best of a difficult situation. I am really tired of all the immature behavior in-world and out.

  44. I love the wowmeh. I don't understand what you did so wrong. But I respect and support you 100%. A great Product thank you for wowmeh.

  45. I love my wowmeh body and support you 100% there are alot of bullsh*t DCMA filings going around and this sounds like yet another. I personally cant wait for your new release once you do come back.

  46. @lipstickandpoison: Not counterfilling an DCMA is EXACTLY the proof that the person is guilty. It's same as if you get accused to kill someone and be thrown into prison and you don't do a counter law suit to proof your innocence. You are basically saying "I a guilty".

    All of your pitiful pirates are so. You are not the first scum I see who steel stuff and act innocent when getting caught. I know so many people who got a letter from lawyers because they illegally downloaded movies, games and porn.

    8 out 10 people paid without going to lawyer, cause they knew they were guilty and it would be waste of money, cause when you lose you have to pay ALL costs. Yours and of the other lawyers and court fees.

    The 2 out of 10 people who didn't paid, took a lawyer and won, cause they were innocent.

    You 15 year old brats with no hairs on your balls, always crying when you get caught. Cheats, scammers, pirates. They all act same. Seen bunch in 30 years, will see more in the next 30.

    You losers just can't admit that you did steal stuff when get caught. Get some balls, or better: Don't steal in the first place, then it won't hurt you

  47. I am really glad that i got the body before the claim was filled, and i can say I have searched all over mp for mesh bodies, none of them were up to to my standards, of what I liked or would wear. I however, do think that the bs back and forth pointing fingers and "Assuming of guilt is uncalled for" case I hate to tell you, Odessa walk across sl mp, if you don't know ever hair and product you have no idea if its copy botted, unless in comments someone say HEY THIS IS SUCH AND SUCH'S HAIR YOU SCAMMER. Most wouldn't know. or your as old as dirt and have been there forever, and you spend your every waking moment shopping. I do not, i don't have the time for it, cause i have an rl too. Yes omg a suit was filled, but guess what at the same time this one was filled, a whole slew of creators got smacked with them, by someone making sure to cause chaos across the grid. I can tell you what a system is a system, which is not without its flaws and ways to use it improperly. AND i have a feeling that for you to go to such extents just on the first page to argue and shove your opinions in the "fan girls and boys faces" makes me wonder the legitness of your own opinion...which oh wait everyone has them...and is entitled to them, doesn't make them right or true.

  48. Silent says:

    In the meantime, can someone gag odessa, sounds bitter much? lol so unbecoming.

  49. Yeah I'm bored with this asshole now so drink in my last words to you because these will be the last I waste on your pathetic existence.

    I know enough about DMCA law to choke you with it. Wanna try me?

    YOU are the thief here, not anyone else. It's funny how you haven't offered up your own personal info, yet you expect the owner of wowmeh to do so? I wonder why that is?? Hmmm, exactly as I thought.

    You're nothing but a common thief and that is all you will ever be, nothing more. And I'll be extremely happy when you falsely dmca the wrong person and they sue you into the ground. KBYE! You can officially fuck off now. :)

  50. Well I was interested in seeing and possibly purchasing this product, but I understand. What's really sad is that anyone can report things as being infringed upon, and all they have to do is give a name, LL most the time does not actually physically go into SL and look at both products to compare, nor do they tell you who you were infringing upon, which is in RL against the law, but in SL terms they have the power not to reveal that information. Still they should at least tell you what part of your product or in whole was flagged for the infringement. I bet you will come back with a product even stronger and better then the last anyway, show them up <3

  51. I repeat. That plain bullshit. If everyone could fill a DMCA complaint without real evidence, then there would be not a single product in Second Life.

    You blind fanboys and fangirls can't take the truth, that your oh so beloved vendor is nothing else than a fucking thief.

    I deeply hope your so belove thief will be dragged in front of the court and sued every single cent out of his or her pitiful existence.

    This is the only way to fight thieves these days

  52. This was a very old post. Baby has already stated that the DMCA was filed against her skins, which she bought full perm without knowing they were already stolen. She's removing them as well as any trace of other 3rd party textures.

    Instead of coming in here like a raving lunatic, next time do a little more investigating.

  53. I never bought Wowmeh shapes, although i kinda regret it a little now but i never really was a big fan. But what I saw on this forum is just sad.
    stealing is bad of course, but sl is a game afterall, a really creative game and chasing people who create beautiful things like this is just a shame.
    I think LL should be the judge of these things before they go to court. Designers and brand names as big as wowmeh deserve thair extra attention.
    U.S laws are to be respecter of course, but we don't all live in the U.S and are not all aware of what is copyrighted there and what is not. So a little tolirance on issues like this would have been much more logical at least in my opinion....
    My heart goes out to you and hope this ends quickly and fairly without anyone feeling let down..

  54. Kaliope says:

    I'm sorry to hear. Just when I wanted to buy the shape I realized it was gone. I wonder if there would be so many claims if the accuser was forced to show his or her hand at the time they make the claim and that the items in questions for BOTH are ordered down until the investigation is complete

  55. Ahahahahahahah
    Muhahahahahahaha

    You stupid fanboys. You who blindly trusted this pirate now must be really disappointed that the creator not only admitted to have used stolen thing but right now it was announced that the person in question was banned from Second Life. AHAHAHAHA so funny.

    You try to hide it by stating "being hacked", but everyone knows: It's a ban. First pirate, than a mysterious hack? Hilarious! Every sane person see the truth behind this decision.

    Its same as with pedophiles who get caught and say "I was put in prison innocent" lol. Such bullshit

  56. Bea P says:

    FACTS:

    1. The regulations governing DMCA notices are heavily in favor of the issuer.

    2. If a DMCA notice is filed against you, you must act quickly if you wish to contest it. You have no time to dither (I think you will be given 2 days to contest) If someone files a notice against you, you must file a complete, correct and satisfactory counter-notification faxed to Linden Lab in couple of days.

    3. Someone may file a DMCA notice against you with complete anonymity as far as you're concerned. While they have to give their identity to Linden Lab, that information is never available to you, unless you choose to pursue additional legal actions above and beyond DMCA notices.

    4. Once a DMCA notice has been filed, your identity is held hostage to whatever content has been nominated in the notice. You must divulge your identity to the person who filed the notice, via Linden Lab, in order to have your content returned to you.

    5. After you counter file, the issuer (i.e. the unknown filer of the original DMCA notice) will be given ten days to commence further legal action against you, in accordance with DMCA guidelines. At this point you would want to know who filed DMCA against you, for what reason etc. etc. Linden Lab will not divulge this information, citing the privacy clauses of the Second Life Terms of Service.

    6. The unknown DMCA issuer now has the option NOT to respond within 10 days and let the whole thing go! At this point items will be returned to you. But damage is already done with no loss or consequences to the unknown DMCA issuer.

    NO ACTION whatsoever taken against the issuer! But your rl identity and adrress is now known to the unknown DMCA issuer!!!

    Now if you want you can pay a lawyer to go after the unknown issuer through LL. Most content creators hardly make ends meet let alone have money set aside to file lawsuits!

    No matter what, it is a lose-lose situation for YOU if a DMCA is filed against you. You either lose content or you lose money. You cannot even find a pro bono lawyer to take these cases (because they know most of these unknown issuers are not rich to begin with so even if you win the case you get no compensation)

    The law sucks.

  57. Shut up, pirate scum.

    I hope all of you will be banned. Forever. Stealing scum has no place in this world

  58. Lex B says:

    Good lord. There should be an IQ requirement to post on these things. Do you, Odessa, even KNOW what it is that was allegedly stolen? Or are you just that desperate to stir up drama in a vain attempt to give yourself some kind of demented fulfillment? I don't even have the Wowmeh body, but from my stand point, it looks like some malicious person is doing their very best to drag this poor woman through the ringer. And then, there are imbeciles out there slinging insults using vague generalities without citing any facts. So, until you can produce proof, for an absolute and irrefutable fact, that something was stolen, why don't you keep your thoughts and opinions to yourself? And yes, actually, you CAN file a DMCA without proof or evidence. It simply has to be "made in good faith" that the item in question is in fact stolen.

  59. Demkitty says:

    I would almost say that Odessa is the one who hacked Baby's account.

    The vitriol she spews just makes her a prime suspect.

  60. Bea P says:

    Odessa, It will help if you tell us what was stolen!

    Can you please list the name of items that were stolen along with the name of the original content creator? I assure you I will never buy anything from Baby if someone can produce proof of this stolen content.

    I cannot accept a DMCA filed by an anonymous person as proof. The problem is I still don't know how to identify the stolen part in that mesh body! Since you seem to know what is stolen..why don't you share it with the rest of us?

    If this is about copyright violation of some full perm item, please say so. We just want to know the details so we can make an educated decision on whether this content creator deserves our support or not!

    I've decided to support Baby since I don't have any proof of stolen content. I will support you if you can produce proof against Baby!

    For instance, if you believe the wowmeh feet is stolen, please list the name of the original feet creator so the readers can double check and confirm! This is a very simple situation: please tell us what is stolen, we will stop supporting Baby and will start support you instead!

  61. Carro M says:

    Wowmeh being targeted this way is only making sense. It's in my belief not a infringement. I believe it's the competition, i'd not name any in particular because i can't remotely fathom who'd go to sutch lengths but we dont have to look far and wide, it's a major player losing cakeslices here. But, with others ideas of a mesh body, wowmeh being rather perfcted, they'd stand no chance in regard to make sales on what they release so obviously, it had to dissapear, if only temporary.

    Also someone previously mentioned SLink's body. And now when it's out, i don't think many ends up buying a mesh body that in it's maxed out state cannot even measure up to what the original SL body has to offer. This is my opinion; i think it's god awful.

    Right now theres a vaccum. Me for one, i'll wait. Wowmeh is the Original, and i'll wait til you got all the kinks ironed out and can release 100% safe work and set the score once and for all.

  62. My account have been put on Hold by LL because "It was brought to their attention that I was distributing the DMCA'd work renamed, and i was in receipt for it". You all know i wasn't selling it since i got the takedown, and that "WowMeh - Silhouette" wasn't the old product simply renamed: apparently LL investigation didn't got this facets.
    I trought I was hacked because my password have been changed and they logged into my account to check somethingIdon'tknowwhat: i'm so sorry for the rash but I was really really upset.
    I'm taking my steps to protect "my 7 months of work" and our body, but I don't have other informations I can publicly share at the moment.
    I kindly ask you all, for the last time, to wait the law process, and please to understand that i'm ONE, non USA and young person: respect my (peraphs excessive) discretion and attitude and not be pretending on what i can't do.

    @ Any*Goon: I don't care WHO, but I would love to know WHY!
    I've nothing against you, not to anyone.
    I belive I didn't do anything of bad to deserve this treatment, if so I apologize.
    Any real help to understand what is happening would be appreciated and paid back <3

  63. @Baby - If you set up a PayPal account, or some other type of donation in the real world, I would be happy to help for legal fees. I'm sure many others would too!!

  64. Oh Baby! Such a turmoil!

    As Ginger posted here above:
    Please, do tell how to support you besides the inworld channels.

    Hugs,
    Sinead

  65. Having had the opportunity over the past week, to really see the WowMeh body in use, really, I'm sold. There's nothing else like it on the market.

    I am sincerely looking forward to when you get this dmca hassle sorted out.. because the product just looks amazing. My store is more of a specialty outfits store, but I definitely want to make skin and clothes appliers to work with whatever comes next from WowMeh.

  66. Sadly, as per my understanding of the process, the remaining options are probably limited.

    LindenLabs do not spend any time acting as a judge on this matter. They have their internal procedures for this type of situations, and they are partially or in full based on local law and taking into account to protect LL's business and brands.

    It is my understanding, from a strictly clinical interpretation of what I have heared and read about the process, that the only way to 'unlock' a DMCA is to counter-file (which you had your reasons for not doing) - or if the originally filer withdraws.

    This, as per my understanding, has the result that no matter how much you *change* a product/work that is DMCA'd, as long as it contains ANY traces of the DMCA'd item, you are still considered in violation.

    Bottom line:
    You will most likely need to create a *new* product and make sure *every* single part of that new product constitutes a NEW work. All ties to the DMCA'd product will need to be severed - a 'just' new release of it is sadly unlikely to do.

  67. You dumb dumb fanbois.

    I told you all the time, the creator is a god damn liar and stealer. "Hacked account" my ass. Linden Labs don't need to change your password to check your inventory you liar or anything else, they can simply check it without it.

    Your lies will confirm only further more of your guilt.

    @Fanbois: AHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Dumbs, blind dumbs. Don't believe when the truth smash your head

  68. stop defaming me!
    You are ridiculous!
    http://i.imgur.com/tPo2hf8.png
    The error reported was exactly as I tried to connect: incorrect password.
    I'm really getting tired Odessa GermanBoy.
    Tell me why or stop.

  69. Cause you are nothing else than a thief. Everytime you come with new lies to hide the inevitable truth and you are just to cowardish to admit it.

    You lied on so many occassions. No person who really knows that he or she is innocent would not fill counter-file. But you did, cause you knew you were guilty and filling counter-file would only bring you into prison since there is no chance to win it.

    Next, you get banned and you lie that your account was hacked. Seriously, how stupid do you think the people are? Being hacked soon after DCMA complaint? C'mon, not even 6 year olds believe this shit.

    Your account being banned, is just the proof that you WERE in fact guilty and Linden Labs seems to have found enough evidence to ban you.

    Now stop the games, get some guts/balls and admit it whose stuff you stole, so people can honor the original creator with the L$ and the leave Second Life and never come back and be happy that they didn't threw you in prison yet.

  70. What would be good is that you change the style of your blog : it is very difficult to read it, with a dark background and dark fonts. Thanks.

  71. @Odessa Silverberg
    I think you are a troll. If you are not, just tell us who you are in SL and maybe we will understand your accusations. I don't want to take part about this DMCA but I can say that: 1) I compared several demos of mesh bodies and wowmeh's body is certainly not a copy of another one available in SL ; because it is better shaped ; only the mesh body of the MeshProject is better but *only* for small breasts. So I really don't see what wowmeh's mesh body would be the copy of ; 2) SL is stuck by the law and they don't want any trouble with anyone so they shut down accounts a little bit too easily I think ; 3) LindenLab staffs are never online, they do not understand what they created, I mean they do not understand SL, the proof the recent announcement of a new virtual world or the catastrophic UI of the viewer 2.0, they say themselves that they are never online and they seem to be proud of that so I don't think that they are aware of 1).

    I can just repeat as a conclusion : disclose your SL identity, we will see and maybe we will agree with you. But I think that you are just a troll.

  72. Sinead says:

    May I suggest to just ignore Herrn Silberberg?

    That's how to treat griefers and trolls:
    ignore them.

  73. Lex B says:

    Baby, this person is absolutely idiotic and apparently does this just to try and get a rise out of you. They are trying to claim things as fact, when it is no more than speculation or flat out wrong. The best thing you can do is ignore them, and keep on doing what you are doing. If they think you are a thief, let them prove you are, not worry yourself over proving you are not when nothing you do is going to convince them otherwise...even if it is the truth. I can honestly say, Odessa's comments have not done anything but strengthen my belief that you have been treated wrongly. Obviously, this person had other intentions, but their continuous claims with lack of proof or genuine fact leads me to believe they are the ones guilty of something and trying to cover their own ass by attempting to shove the blame onto you. You've got so much support from people who love (or...want to love, for the non-owners) your product, that there is nothing one person can possibly do short of providing undeniable proof of your guilt (which is obviously never going to happen because a) it probably doesn't exist and b) all this person has done so far is made empty claims and hurled insults) to make people turn their back on you. The only thing this person is doing is making people love you even more. So, fail on their part if they thought their slander was going to do you any harm. I don't own the Wowmeh, but, just from what I have seen, your work is amazing. And there are going to be people out there who are envious of that and will do whatever they can to tear you down. Don't let them. You got this. <3

  74. Demkitty says:

    Odessa.

    You just need to *shut the f**k up*.

    You're a troll, a worthless scumbag troll with nothing better to do than cause trouble. You seriously need to be put in your place. Do us all a favor and jump off a cliff, and make sure it's nice and jagged on the bottom. Thanks.

  75. Silent says:

    As tempting as it may be to tell a fool what you truly think of them, may I suggest that none of us make any reply to Odessa, that's what feeds it, the moment you ignore it, it will have nothing to do.

  76. Werewolf says:

    Odessa Silverberg
    Why don't you Point out the maker that makes those bodys then! All the bodys i ever found suck ass and look NOTHING like wowmeh! so how did she steal? because she didnt. its people like you that make sl sucky! So Do everyone a favor lock your self in a hot car!

  77. dear baby,
    please don´t be annoyed by all the jealous people (odessa & co) and parasites. never give up,pls! I will always stand behind you and your product. come as soon as possible! we wait with longing and full of joy!
    abbraccio xania :)

  78. Baby, why don't you counter? You keep asking why? You don't keep your customers updated and you blame LL . I can't support you if you're not going to defend your customers and the Wowmeh body. SO PLEASE COUNTER!

  79. Just a bunch of blind idiots.

    How many proofs do you fucking fanboys need more? The shop was closed, the account banned.

    I wrote that the account was banned in the minute that it was announced. But the cowardish creator waited days until it was inevitable to keep this lie going on and admitted that her account was banned.

    And also further up also admitted what she was stealing.

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  81. hey odessa you stupid thing!
    if anyone here is an idiot, then you!
    what do you want from baby, the group and their supporter?
    on your shit that you are spreading here, no one is interested! don´t you see? too dumb? I don´t care! piss off from here and harass another blog! ty!
    some people seem to live a very sad and poor life.
    in this sense ...
    F*** you!

  82. Odessa was it the skins? I don't understand if Baby has a lawyer why would they tell her to send out Wowmeh 3.1 with Silhouette? Baby be honest do you even have a lawyer?